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<RATS>
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Some patients are showing elavated aluminum levels in blood work...any ideas?? Already checked the RO water feeding the machines.
 
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You didn't say if you had a central acid system or not, but there have been cases of elevated aluminum due to acid concentrate coming into contact with aluminum...aluminum wrench dropped into acid tank, acid pump/drum pump with aluminum parts, stainless-steel-looking part that is actually aluminum. In this case, if you have patients who use jugs of acid, they would tend not to have aluminum contamination.


The Water Guy - Florian Services
 
Posts: 490 | Location: Chicago | Registered: 24 January 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Make sure that there is not something in the bottom of your holding tank (ie. a tool like a crescent wrench like florian said). I have actually seen this before, the easiest way to rule out the loop and holding tank is to do an AAMI on your loop return.
 
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Since it is only some pts., consider it may be the pts. Could possibly be dietary, binders, meds, utensils, pots and pans, etc. Just a thought from my clinical days.
 
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This happened at a clinic that I worked at. I don't know what kind of concentrate regulator that you have on the wall box, but the one that I had had a metal spring on the inside that leached into the concentrate. Turned out that we had a mixture of regulators some with this spring and some without. With the spring pts. had elevated aluminum. These regulators were black and available through Better Water. I' sorry, but I forget the name. It was a few years ago. Either way check the wall pressure regulators if you have them. Hope this helps.
 
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<toledo>
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check the aluminum levels on the output of your ro this time of year the city ups the alum
 
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Check your water at the return, on the off chance that there could be something aluminum in your loop. I would check the dialysate too.

I know of a case where an RO membrane became fouled with aluminum. The water analysis and dialysate analysis showed OK aluminum levels, but the patients all had elevated blood levels.

Very serious.
 
Posts: 207 | Location: Mountain View, CA | Registered: 19 October 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Dealer brings up a good point. If the aluminum is in the water, sometimes it is difficult for the RO to remove it. I know of a clinic who had an RO running at 98% rejection, but the aluminum did not meet AAMI. If the aluminum gets by the RO, a mixed bed DI may have limited ability to remove it. In this case, a Cation DI tank followed by an Anion DI Tank, followed by a mixed bed DI Tank would work better. You need the Cation DI Tank to reduce the pH to allow the aluminum to be removed.


The Water Guy - Florian Services
 
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<RATS>
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Thanks for all the input....the comment about the regulator springs caught my interest..I have tried all the logical things spoken here so far.
 
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Have you tried sending in a dialysate sample for testing. I know the lab we use Nationwide can and do run tests on our dialysate for cemical annalysis. I am sure if you send your bicarbs off for sampling, that lab can run tests to see if there is aluminum in your dialysate. I would sample mostly the machines the pt's sit at and one that you know you don't have any problems and compair.
 
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